Spanish Peral submarine

Spanjaard
I am in. if you want details, the spanish national archives have digitaliced the original plans of the sub.

Jan Peters
Welcome Spanjaard 🙂
It is a fascinating machine, looks more modern than it is.

Ben M
👀

Jan Peters
Welcome Ben

Ben M
Another early Spanish submarine project you might enjoy: Ictineo II | Album by RoggyCGD (1:46)

Jan Peters
That is very nice indeed Ben!

Ben M
There was another build as well but it seems to have vanished from scalemates.

Guy Rump
Following! 👍

Robert Podkoński
Taking a seat.

Jan Peters
Welcome mates 🫡

Spanjaard
I have been playing with the idea of making some PE to improve the platform structure, but the rudders certainly could use some improvements ...
In regards to the propeller, I believe the shape is the correct one. before it was moved to the museum, it had a diferent color, but the sub has been repaired several times in the last 100+ years. see how it looked like before moved to the museum
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Jan Peters
Ok, thanks for the information Spanjaard 👍🏻
The platform is not that bad, but the poles holding the rope are too flat, so these will be made from plastic rod.
Regarding the rudders, I'm not sure if I can live with carved kit part, I might have a go and try to scratch new ones.

Jennifer Franklin
Fascinating, taking a seat.

Jan Peters
Welcome Jennifer

Spanjaard
actually, I believe the poles did not hold any rope, but also a metal piece. let me see if I can find it for you.

Spanjaard
I think this image explains what I mean

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Spanjaard
technical drawing of the original piece from national archives
pares.mcu.es/ParesBu..atalogo/show/7343756
you can download the image if you click on the floppy disk. when you open the file locally, you will see it a lot more clear

Jan Peters
Thanks Spanjaard 👍🏻
I must say, all original images do not show any wood and/ or railing in place, so I might not even add it to the model.

Spanjaard
yes, you are correct, it seems it was something that could be removed. it appears in seversl pictures without it.

Sergio Ordonez
Lovely Project, Jan!
In my opinión, after having a clase look to the photographs the railing apears to be made of a smoothet and better worked material so, I think, the railing and the platform have bern added for exposición purposes many years after the deco of this sub.

Spanjaard
they are in the original plans Sergio 😉 check Spanish National archives link above 😉

Sergio Ordonez
I saw the rest of them, Spaniard. My main concern is, as a draughtsman, that the rest of components are drawn (with excepctional quality and ability) in vegetal paper using ink, ideal for making copies through hand tracing, those drawings for chandeliers, platform, gardeners and such are drawn with a graphite pencil over graph paper (high quality, made by Lapage), as a mere draft (again, drawn with excepctional skill for the epoch), but no other stardard drawing shows the assembly or the constructive drawing of the element.
Lapage stopped production in the 90s, and I am not sure if their products were available in 1890.

Spanjaard
installation of the platform pares.mcu.es/ParesBu..atalogo/show/7343759
supports of the platform pares.mcu.es/ParesBu..atalogo/show/7343761
according to the site, it is digitaliced from the original plans made by Peral.
I am not sure what will I do when I build this model, if i will add the platform or not. but details are there if anyone wants to use them

Spanjaard
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seems to be a picture of the period, with platform

Jan Peters
According to the drawings the support of the platform is a triangular shape, not like it is represented by mikromir. It would mean a lot of extra work to scratch these, so the chances of it being built without platform are increased significantly 😅

Jan Peters
I appreciate your help Spanjaard and Sergio 🙏🏻

Sergio Ordonez
Thanks, mate, but Spaniard has a lot more information than me. I only can remember the sub lying on a city square many years ago and I cannot remember the platform, even the superstructure.
You know, the sub was decommissioned in the XIX century and was abandones as scrap till was used as a monument, so I think many parts have been lost and substituted by other similar. I Will follow your build with interest, subs are though: they do not give the modeler a lot of chance, so I bow my hat, mate.

Spanjaard
for what i see in the pictures (never seen it live myself), Segio is right, there was no platform when it was in its pedestal in the square.
considering how close it was to be scrapped, we are lucky that the exterior has survived, platform and all interior were gone a long time ago.... I read an article saying that the engine used to recharge the battery still exists, but it is rusting away but politicians are not doing anything in order to add it to the exhibition before it becomes a pile of rust....

Jan Peters
That's a sad situation Spanjaard, all it takes are a few people with vision and passion (and money) to safe such a piece of history.

Robert Podkoński
Out of curiosity: are all three propellers given as PE parts in the kit?

Jan Peters
All 4 are Robert